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the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now. tonight, a monster storm about to make landfall. this hour, hurricane helene slams into florida's big bend as a category 4. plus new york city mayor eric adams is defined as he faces multiple federal corruption charges including bribery and wire fraud. and how wall street is responding to vice president harris and her economic address. the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle, good to be back in new york city where tonight we are tracking breaking news in the southeast as the incredibly powerful hurricane helene is hitting the florida coast. i want to bring in our own bill

karins with the latest. what's going on. >> a horrific storm. the storm surge is in areas where people have never seen the water on the coast of florida, the big bend is getting a 20 foot storm surge. you can see it for yourself, this is the shoreline right here and wants half of the eye crosses the coast, we get the official landfall from the national hurricane center. what is historic is that this big bend region in florida, in our recorded history of hurricanes, we've never had a category for, or category 5 make landfall, this has never happened before and that's why we are talking about storm surge values, ever recorded in florida. this eye wall, this is where the intense winds are. he goes from tallahassee to perry, florida, that's in the middle of it, and the most intense winds, they call this the northeast quadrant. you see these bright purple colors, that's her we could get

the guests -- the gusts of 132 140, that will tear off the tops of houses, trees will be down everywhere. everyone that is in this box has been getting alerts on their phones or devices, telling them to seek shelter, almost like a tornado is coming through. they will be in that situation for another 2 to 3 hours. the water levels are rising rapidly. apalachicola, the wind is blowing the water out to the coast but the water is trapped and rising. cedar key broke the record for the highest water level they've ever seen. in tampa, the water continues to rise, we are 6 1/2 feet in clearwater. if you are on the edge of the water with your toes, this is

how much higher than the water should be. so we are six feet now all through this region, so all through the bay area, along the coast, we are seeing water go into businesses and homes and in the coastal areas, we have wave action on top of that. we just hit 76 in perry, and we are still gusting 50 to 60 around it, that's where the eye is in the center of it, as far as the hurricane center goes, we just got this update in. looks like landfall will be at 140 miles per hour, a strong category 4 and the storm is flying, 24 miles per hour, that's extremely fast for the speed that the storm is moving. it'll be in and out, and as we go throughout the night, this storm races up through georgia, but it:00 tomorrow morning, it's over the top of atlanta or just east of atlanta, still with 65 mile-per-hour winds. so we are focusing on where the most extreme damage will be, all in might people will be

losing power across the state of georgia as the winds circulate. then finally about noon or so tomorrow, then it'll begin to weekend. we will have 60 to 70 mile per hour gusts, and the appellations of the storm. just a devastating, historic, multibillion-dollar weather disaster that is taking place right now. >> later we will go live to perry, florida where the storm is expected to make landfall within the next hour. but we are going to head to the presidential race, with the election just 40 days away, tomorrow vice president harris will visit the southern border to talk about her bipartisan border security plan. trump has attacked harris every day on immigration, trying to make it the centerpiece of the election. today trump spoke to reporters ahead of harris's visit calling her weak and incompetent on immigration policy. meanwhile both candidates are meeting with world leaders this week during the un general assembly which means traffic is truly unbearable in new york

city. >> to nice -- tonight vice president harris standing side- by-side with ukraine's president zelenskyy. accusing trump of wanting to surrender. >> there some in my country who would force ukraine to give up large parts of its sovereign territory. they are not proposals for peace. instead, they are proposals for surrender. >> late today trump responded. >> it's not a surrender. what my strategy is to save lives, i will meet with president zelenskyy and we will see what happens but i believe i can work that out. >> saying he can still work with iran despite his campaign saying that intel briefed him on iranian assassination attempts. >> would you try and make a deal with iran? >> sure, i'm would do that. i doesn't matter, i have a great memory but it's a memory

that once to serve the people >> mr. allen, what do you make of the behaviors going on offense when it comes to immigration? >> i think her campaign has made a decision that it's an issue they're going to have to address. she's been hammered on it by donald trump as one of the top issues that voters say that they care about particularly the group of voters that may be making a choice between the candidates. there is some risk in that, she

is hang a lantern on her problem as our friend chris matthews would say, basically saying here is the issue. i know i'm not doing on well -- as well on its why will go and address it. there's risk and that but a lot of risk in letting trump continue to hammer her. he says some things that are outlandish, today he said, you know, basically she is the worst border enforcer in history of the world. i think there are plenty of examples in world history of borders being far more porous than the us-born her with mexico. >> the history of the world, planet, the baddest there ever was could be, and then some. natasha, it's a bold move on vp harris's part. was that a risk because there are a lot of difficult questions she's going to have to answer. >> right, i think what she's doing is continuing the strategy that democrats have really began months ago, really

at the beginning of the year which is really accepting that immigration is a huge liability for them. and we saw that with biden coming to this agreement, this bipartisan legislation that she surely going to bring up tomorrow and surely going to bring up that trump pretty much, that he blew it up, and didn't let it happen for political purposes. so you know, i think because of all the different dynamics in our country this year including migrants flooding in to blue cities. it really shifted people's opinions on immigration and democrats are really hurting in the area. they are saying that my would expect her to come out tomorrow and be really tough on immigration and the border. i mean, whether it is believable, whether it's too little too late, as trump is trying to frame it now, it'll

be up to the voters but there's no surprise that she will be talking about arizona quite a bit. >> there are all sorts of people in this country in red states and blue states, blue cities that are unhappy about illegal immigration but trump going all in, right, does that say that almost half the country right, assuming this race is met and that, his only policy solution is mass deportation. and people are down with that? >> i think people may here mass deportation, i feel like it hasn't really sunk in the people what that really means. i feel like when they here mass deportation they assume there's a specific number of people who shouldn't be here who will be kicked out. they haven't wrapped their minds around what they would do if they got the chance, that millions of people that would be at risk of being deported, the way the economy will be

destabilized. >> or is it, that they don't actually think that trump is going to go as big as he says he is because he talks a big game but they like their i say it, the direction he is heading in. they like the tough talk, the taking it on and they think he's not really going to do that. >> they can think that all they want but they are saying that's what they're going to do and with this case, you want to believe them, if they don't succeed they are going to at least try and that in itself will wreak havoc on this country. >> you know what else is wreaking havoc in this country, hurricane helene. it is extremely dangerous. this thing is a category 4. i want to bring in my colleague jesse kirsch from florida. what can you tell us? >> reporter: so we are in the

eye wall of helene right now. we are seconds away if not experiencing land all right now. i can tell you we've had intermittent moments of really powerful gusts and we are getting some right now. okay, i don't know if you can even see it, but there are cars that here. i can tell you, 45 mile-per- hour winds, anyone who is out here presumably not a first responder, should not be out on the roads. these winds are really picking up right now. we've got debris flying, we are going to stay -- there is debris that is flying, we are going back inside. the eye is coming any moment now. >> it back inside, be safe. >> are you still with us? >> i can't see you but i can hear you. >> we just lock the door.

we are good, we are inside, we had to get the door locked. that is incredibly powerful. okay, we are good. we smelled some gas outside. we are good. >> we are with you. >> there are cars out there and they should not be out there. >> hold on, those cars out there, are people in those cars? >> they were moving and i'm seeing a vehicle backing up right now. i can tell you, they asked for mandatory evacuations in taylor county, the sheriff told me he thought about 10,000 of the 20,000 people here had not heeded the warnings including potentially around 200 people who live in coastal low lying areas, where the storm surge could be reaching 20 feet. i don't know if you can hear the wind howling but you can hear the wind howling through the windows, through the glass,

and we have stuff prepared in an internal room. this is effectively like having a tornado overhead for an hour. when you have that kind of wind force over a prolonged period of time, i'm out of breath, this is not easy to walk through, if you have wind like that, that could weaken structures. this could get up to 20 feet and that is unfathomable. officials told people bluntly about evacuations, they asked people who are not going to evacuate from taylor county that they should write their name, date of birth and other information about themselves in permanent marker on their body so they could be identified after the storm. that's a we are dealing with that i'm still seeing vehicles out there on the road.

i'm hoping it's a first responder but there are definitely people who have chosen to stay in these communities, which we often talk about and the headlines that we have in the days after can be grim. but as we are waiting for landfall, i'm going to check my phone, i've been texting with our climate team. this is now the third hurricane i have covered in a matter of weeks, no question this is the most powerful, and this area has been hit with three hurricanes in a matter of about a year, 13 months, and this is demonstrably stronger, and that's one thing that i'm picking up from talking to people, they've seen storms before, this is a different kind of storm and this is not something to be playing around with, so hopefully many people heeded the warnings and we will send it back to you. >> did you speak to people today who said we are just going to stay put, we don't think it's going to be so bad?

>> we were here yesterday and today, and anecdotally, some when we met he was working at a restaurant that we were able to get food at before it shut down and i asked on his way out if you would leave town and he said he was going to stay and ride it out and i said you should really consider leaving and he said he was staying because his grandma was going to stay and he was going to be with her. we got her on the phone and you know, try to convey as much as we could that this is a different storm and they told us that they were changing the plans and they were going to leave. i hope more people have those kinds of decisions and i just checked with our time climate team. we are still waiting, it's not landfall yet. stephanie, to answer your question, there are people who i think were planning to stay here, multiple people, the gas station across the street, and a person who was working there told our team they were to stay open and the lights went off.

this happens whenever we are coming, there are people who don't plan to evacuate and then there are people who learn the lessons from previous storms. i met someone at a sandbag location that stayed during hurricane debbie and that was a category 1, borderline category 2. but that was a weaker storm in terms of wind strength, and that scared that man enough that he decided he was going to leave town this time. >> jesse, i don't know the name of the person you met in the restaurant or his grandmother, i'm assuming you do so please say a prayer for both of them tonight. stay safe, we will check in with you later in the hour. we are thinking about you and your crew. thank you for being down there. let's head back to my team up here. john allen, vp harris met with zelenskyy today, donald trump said he will meet with him tomorrow. donald trump hasn't even said if he wants ukraine to win, how will this meeting

go down? >> it's a great question, stephanie, i think zelenskyy will be begging trump that if trump becomes president again that trump continues to support the ukrainian efforts but it doesn't look like trump has that in mind at all. he talks about wanting a quick piece, the strategy is largely contingent upon being handed over to russia, so low, you could not have a bigger distance between two candidates meeting with the same person back to back. you've got vice president harris who wants to continue where the united states has been doing under biden, continue to help ukraine fend off russia and then you've got president trump who never exactly said that he wanted russia to win but to your point, doesn't say that he wants ukraine to win, and he has a vice presidential running mate, jd vance, who is consistently questioning the value of the united states

continuing to back ukraine. so there's a real contrast here. i'm not sure how many voters will make the decision based on that but certainly a contrast of values and worldview. trump has said that europe should be taking in more money because they are physically closer to russia than the united states. the united states foreign- policy basically since world war ii, has been to bolster europe, so that other countries in europe are not a threat to the rest of europe and the united states. so, a huge contrast between these two candidates. >> i want to take a moment and acknowledge that with 40 days out from the election, what else candidate trump is focused on. today melania trump, who we've barely seen on the campaign trail made an appearance on fox news because she is selling a

new book and when she was asked about kamala harris and the state of the country, here's what she said. >> well how i see it is the records speak for itself. the country is suffering. people are not able to buy usual necessities for their families. >> not four hours after talking about that americans can barely afford necessities, her husband, candidate trump announced his of watches, some of them that cost 100 grand, on monday, he launched a silver commemorative coin for 100 bucks that has a teeny bit of silver in it and that's the latest in his line of merchandise over the last few months, bibles, nft trading cards, trump sneakers, his media company, and his newly formed crypto exchange. meanwhile, we also learned from an sec filing, that 99% of his son-in-law's investment fund is financed by foreign entities.

he it's like, it's like the trump campaign is the home shopping network, 40 days to go and this is what we are seeing donald trump doing. >> absolutely because he knows that he's got to have some money in his pocket if he doesn't win, you've got to put something in there. this goes back to his roots, donald trump, he said he's a real estate magnate, but in most of his career, he's been a brand, he loves to have people pay him to use his name on things and that's what we are seeing in the middle of the campaign season, him taking advantage to be in the spotlight the way he always has and trying to turn the attention into money. and whether that is to the detriment of his political campaign, we will see. it's very clear from the bottom of all of this merchandise, none of it is going to the campaign, just going straight to his pocket.

>> does his campaign ever acknowledge any of this. imagine a vp harris was doing anything else, how would that be taken, how has his campaign responded to any questions about the qvc/trump campaign. >> just 40 days left to buy at this price, stephanie! just 40 days left. his campaign response to him. this is not a campaign that comes up with what he's supposed to say, it's very much the opposite. so whatever he says goes and they try and support that as much as they can, sometimes they answer questions about the merchandising and the business stuff but for the most part, his campaign is focused on the election, for the most part donald trump is very easily distractible by you know, small and silver shiny objects or

objects with tiny amounts of silver in them. the question for voters is with these watches, is whether he knows what time it is. >> 100 grand. all right, natosha john, you know what time it is. a look at the corruption charges against new york city's mayor and the decade-long pay to play scheme that he's accused of running and later the dangers of donald trump as told by the people closest to him. the 11th hour just getting underway on a serious ngthursday night. thursdt

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evans, we are following a major story here in new york city, major nightmare eric abbott has been charged with bribery and wire fraud in a scheme that prosecutors say it's band 10 years. >> tonight the first sitting new york city mayor in modern history indicted on federal bribery charges. >> i follow the rules and i follow the law. >> the conduct alleged in the indictment, the foreign money, the bribery, the years of concealment, is a grave breach

of the public's trust. >> adams accused of accepting free or deeply discounted trips to china, sri lanka and india, luxury hotel stays and more. bribes, prosecutors say adams illegally accepted from wealthy foreigners and at least one turkish government official, all in exchange for political favors. >> year after year, he kept the public in the dark. he told the public he received no gifts, even though he was secretly being showered with them. >> among the allegations of favoritism, in 2021, abbott adams was informed it was quote his turn to help turkey so he pressured the city's fire commissioner to greenlight approval of this building despite serious safety concerns from the city. all because turkey wanted it open in time for that years general summary. after the approval went through, prosecutors say the unnamed turkish official wrote adams, you are a true friend of

turkey. >> we allege that the mayor crossed these lines again and again. >> he was also accused of masking illegal donations from foreigners, routing their money through small dollar donors based on the u.s., so-called straw contributions, and they say the campaign took advantage of a new york program that matches smaller contributions to quote steel public funds. raking in more than $10 million. but his defense team says the evidence will exonerate him. the policeman turned politician has lived under a legal cloud for more than a year, one growing darker in recent weeks as members of his administration have come under increasing scrutiny in several different investigations. the city's police commissioner, top lawyer and schools chancellor have all resigned.

but adams has maintained his innocence. >> i ask you know coors to wait to hear our defense before making any judgments. >> some democrats now calling for adams to step aside. as he headed back inside gracie mansion today, protesters shouting after him. >> only in new york, kids. i want to bring in jeremy gland , okay, the u.s. attorney here, damien williams, he ain't playing, this indictment is 57 pages long. what stuck out to hear? >> i've got to take off my glasses because it's serious and it's chronological, it's a good narrative, setting forth a lot of really bad acts. you hear about 7000 bentley hotel room for $600, you about these upgrades and flights for well maybe should make it $50, or make it sound real and make it $1000. time after time, we just heard the reporting about the 36

story building, we are going to pass the fire code, you are great friend to turkey. there so much here that going on but it's not just him, it's the staffers, i told them not to do things that they are the ones that deleted the messages. they were up to no good, possibly, but it's more of a deflection offense. >> what do you think will happen here? >> we will go through the process, but at the end of the day, this sitting mayor will not be a sitting mayor at the end and maybe sitting with his heels in his took us in jail behind bars. these are serious crimes and we hold our elected officials to a higher scrutiny standard. >> in the last few weeks, new york city, greatest city in the world, we lost our police commissioner, top lawyer, schools chancellor and now the

mayor is facing criminal charges. i'm not being sassy like who is running new york city right now? >> mayor adams is running new york city. >> really, you think he spent one minute of his day today, one single minute focusing on the people of new york? >> no one said it was the most effective running of new york city but there are many problems, that's a separate movie if not multi series movie, but that being said, what we are dealing with now is you have a mayor who i think is using a trump card of their coming after me because of who i am, the doj is being weaponized against me, throwing in some race in there as well and then turns around and says if you see the evidence, listen to me, which is the right thing to say, i'm innocent, why are you coming at it from the perspective of if you are coming after me, if that is your defense, it does not stand consistent with the actual evidentiary defense. >> of course damien williams is also the one in charge of the

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hurricane helene has just made landfall on florida's coast as a category 4. for the latest on the ground let's go to tallahassee where my colleague kathy park is standing by right now. >> reporter: stephanie, we've been waiting all evening for a possible direct hit from helene but we just learned that we have narrowly missed the eye wall of the storm but we are still feeling the impacts as you can see. we are getting these heavy bands of rain, this is probably the worst conditions we've seen so far, the wind has started to pick up, here in tallahassee, really the big concern going into the storm was a possibility of the extreme wind damage because there are so many trees in this area, 55% of

the area is under a tree canopy. officials were worried what these wins could do if it stayed in this area, so they were concerned about toppled trees, downed power lines which would ultimately lead to prolonged power outages. earlier, we actually went to an emergency shelter nearby. several of them opened in this area. a lot of folks were utilizing them, and really no one should be out in these conditions right now because this is probably the worst we have seen it. here in tallahassee, officials have been preparing for days, they were worried that this would have been a direct hit which would have been the worst storm that the region has ever seen in its history, obviously the coast is not clear just yet, once again, the rain is really coming down. we have actually seen some transformers exploded behind us, we are hearing all sorts of noises. but tomorrow, when the light comes out and you know we have daybreak and the folks are out

here assessing the damage, we know thousands of crews are at the ready, they are leaning on resources from all across the country, but once again, tallahassee, we were bracing for a direct hit but it appears that we have just missed the eye wall, stephanie. >> that's good news, stay safe where you are and we will keep an eye on the storm but now let's turn to the 2024 presidential race. the new york times editorial board has not yet endorsed a candidate but they have made a case that the former president is unfit to lead. and if voters don't want to take their word for it, today they released the dangers of donald trump, as told from 91 republicans who know him. one of the conservative voices that they quoted is with us now, charlie sykes, msnbc columnist and political analyst along with former congressman max rose, he's now a senior advisor to vote vets. charlie, this list includes quotes from people who currently support the former president like ted cruz and nikki haley. you obviously do not. help us understand the clear

line, the division in your thinking versus theirs. people you at one point, agreed with. >> well, let's start off by noting how unprecedented this is. the number of people who have been in donald trump's cabinet, his chiefs of staff, people who were sitting in that room with him, who know him and have worked with emma they say this man is not fit, and then you have this large group of republicans who may say that privately but what they decided is that the tribal partisan loyalty, that trump's there judgment of donald trump. they are deeply invested in the idea that this is a binary choice and for many of them, the only route to relevance in the republican party or perhaps a return to power is to kiss the ring. but as you scroll down the list of people who have commented on donald trump, you get an extraordinary picture of his presidency, and what people saw

up close and personal, in the white house from him, and it's an amazing historical record, whether or not the republican rank and file is paying attention. >> nikki haley endorsed trump but i want to share a bit of what we heard from her in a very recent interview. >> you are not going to hear me say glowing things about donald trump's personality. i've issues with them as well, i have not forgotten what he said about me, my husband, or his you know, deployment time or his military service. i haven't forgotten about his or his campaign's tactics from putting a birdcage outside our hotel room to calling me birdbrain, i haven't forgotten any of that. but politics is not for thin- skinned people. >> venue got retired general stanley mcchrystal saying that he's already cast his ballot for harris, not because of her policies but because of her

character. is that with this election is coming down to, whether you value policy versus character because i'll tell you, i'm sure there's lots of people in your district to say, i don't like him, but he cut my taxes. >> it's about both, and that is not just this presidential election, it's about every presidential election, you are electing somebody not just to address the crises of today but the unforeseen crises of tomorrow. now what the trump campaign will do about the 91 former colleagues of the president who they cited, the trump campaign will position that as the deep state that they have always stood up to. that is not who these people are. those are maga republicans, they are people who signed up

to work with donald trump and tried to advance his policy of things that i adamantly disagree with. they saw him, face-to-face and now, despite the policy agreement with him, they are coming out and saying this man should be nowhere near the oval office. that is an absolute indictment. but there's a second step that these folks particularly general mcchrystal need to take which is not just to show the courage of voicing your opinion in the new york times but also -- >> mcchrystal said he voted for her. >> i need him to do one more thing. film a commercial. there's only so many people that read in the new york times but now if you are going to be political, which you have to be in the arena today. film a commercial so that millions upon millions of people can also here. >> and throw it on tiktok. >> the atlantic wrote that for undecided voters and i agree with this, it's not about whether they are voting for trump or harris, it's about

whether they are going to vote at all. people who think the system doesn't work for them, they can't stand politics can anything change that, can either campaign at this point get those people off the couch engaged and voting? >> the reality is if you are on the couch right now and undecided, you're probably not going to vote in the first place but there is a sliver of votes, given how close this election is, every vote counts and i do think there is a sliver of voters who right now are thinking, can i put up with four more years of all of this and i think many of them are soft republican voters who look at donald trump, and you're hearing this back and forth, they are recognizing that this is not a normal election. that is the real dividing line. is donald trump somebody that is just off the map of acceptability, not just character but the threat he poses to the constitutional order.

you know, we can run through the sexual assaults, the calling for the termination of the constitution, the presidency of retribution. his various felonies, all of that, there's nothing normal about this choice. so there are voters who are lifelong republicans and may vote up and down the ballot for other republicans but i think that there may be a softness like do they want to vote one more time for donald trump, do they want four more years of putting up with this nightmare scenario, that we've been living with. it seems, since he came down the golden escalator. i think those are still in play. >> but that's the thing, nothing is normal anymore. we've been accustomed to abnormal. i had a completely normal interview, normal conversation with vice president harris yesterday, one that you would have with any normal presidential candidate at any time in history. but nothing is normal anymore. that's what made it seem so

strange. but i do have to ask you, your take on what is happening in new york city, with eric adams, top lieutenants. i asked my last guest, does it concern you, who is running this town, how serious is this? >> is very difficult to break new york city. i'm confident that the engine that is the new york city government, with many heroes leading it, will continue to run and eric adams deserves his day in court. but these allegations are incredibly serious. and the facts behind them, are incredibly serious as well and he and his team quite obviously, have a tremendous amount of explaining to do, and i think we can all collectively say that that needs to happen as quickly as humanly possible, however quickly this game

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was very, very positive for her. they want to know more. they were feeling better. the vibes were better. >> joining me now. peter, your take aways from what vp harris has laid out for her economic plans and donald trump's as well. >> you were able to pull some meat on the bones out of her we hadn't heard before. but look, i think her plan in general is still kind of biden plus. she is offering $25,000 incentives on housing. she has changed her capital gains tax rates a little different. now she has been a candidate two months so maybe we shouldn't expect a fully formed economic policy that is different from her boss. but i still think i found her much more compelling in your

interview when she was criticizing trump because there is a lot to criticize. much of what she is presenting in my mind was still very much biden plus. it wasn't really a new plan. >> i don't disagree with that. she got a little gauzy on you when you asked how she would get a corporate tax hike. she dodged that. it won't happen. if we do have a divided government, you are leaning more toward gridlock and a little potential biden plus. maybe not at all depending on how the election shakes out. but she has been reasonably specific.

>> yes, you believe. do you believe that business leaders a breathing a sigh of relief? because not knowing that her policies are biden plus, and not hearing from her much, they can think i don't know where she is going. maybe she is going super progressive. >> it is an important point. i have heard that even before your interview, there is a general perception on wall street, silicon valley that biden wasn't listening to them. that he was very adamant. new highs in the stock market. where harris given her background in silicon valley is open to listening. they may disagree, but she will listen. she understands where they are coming from. she is willing to listen. and biden. >> this is a fair point. i'm not disagreeing with the stock market and the economic recovery but i heard from many

ceos . one said, you know a person's priorities based on their schedule and president biden has not spend a ton of time. with the ceo community. she knew who i was, she knew who my audience was and went out of her way to say i work with business leaders. i am a free market person. she said these things on purpose. >> biden in a certain sense was you know, engaged in benign neglect. he didn't do anything to disrupt the economy. he didn't support it. the regulatory regime might be a little bit harsher. but we produced more oil than we ever have in the history of the world. so some of the things people are afraid of like banning fracking or rolling back certain types of carbon based energy. that has not been the case. >> great, because you said that, poor peter has the worst

question ever. vice president harris is now offering biden plus being more pro business. then why, oh why. >> she didn't answer that question very well. >> why. does donald trump poll better on the economy. is it because he has i'm a boss man energy? >> i think people forget. it is still crisis inflation. i know inflation is down 2.5%. but prices are not coming down. and people, particularly working class americans prone to vote for trump are going up and their fuel and groceries are expensive and i talk to people in the white house about this. they are still very nervous on this. >> do they need a way to talk about this? do we want people in lower wage jobs to get paid more? have child care? and things are going to cost

more. we say we have a problem with price gouges, if you are going to pay people in a pizzeria $20 an hour, there is a chance that pizza will cost $30 and people are not connecting the dots. >> and they are not connecting the dots that wages have risen faster than the rate of inflation. >> that doesn't matter. even if you have more money in your pocket. when you go get pizza and it costs $30, you say hell no. >> prices in certain areas are coming down, austin, texas, 17% drop in rent. that might be the canary in the coal mine when it comes to shelter costs. >> we have no time. that does it for us, we're done. for all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, it's been a day for me, thanks for staying update. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. wow. tomorrow. wow.